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Author Topic: Help me answer this question please! :-) Ranks and successors.  (Read 177 times)

Okay friends - I need your collective brainpower!!  :D :D ^_^ ^_^

I have an Ask about the ranks and successorship in the Garrison and I am more than a little bit stuck. 

Basically, the question is who would Dot's successor be and would it be based on rank or would Dot handpick the individual who replaced him. The question specifically asked if Anka, Gustav, or Rico would be possibilities to replace Pixis as his immediate successor.

Per the wiki, Rico (along with Ian and Mitabi) are Hanchos/Team Leaders. Weilman is a Taicho/Captain and Hannes is listed as a Butaicho/Unit Captain. Anka and Gustav, per the wiki and what I remember from the manga and series, do not have specified ranks - though I am inclined to have them of equalish rank to Rico, Ian, and Mitabi (but I am not 100% on that).

So what do you all think? Do you think successorship is based on rank, Dot picking an "heir" or a mix? Also, what ranks do you think Anka and Gustav hold?

Thank for your help!!

Ps. I imagine it goes Rico, Ian, Mitabi —> Hannes —> Kitz in the rank hierarchy.

Pps and Chapter 105 spoiler. Lobov the Garrison/SC transfer is listed as a Sidancho/Commander. « Last Edit: May 10, 2018, 04:20:24 AM by QuietCelt »
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Anka Rheinberger | Dot Pixis | Arkin Holt

Re: Help me answer this question please! :-) Ranks and successors.
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2018, 05:39:40 PM »
I personally think it would go through rank as nepotism seems to be more of a Military Police characteristic than Garrison Regiment - obviously the MP would do it as ranks, but they wouldn't be quite as earned (like there's hints that cadets / people outside of the Top Ten might be able to get into the MP through other means, such as family). It would make the most sense to me that the Garrison, though lazy, is a little more... rigid about those kinds of rules.

Given the manga's German influence, here is a comparison of rankings from the German Army, Waffen-SS, and British Army. Obviously, they don't line up very well with what the manga has, but this is my best shot: Dot Pixis (commander) is equivalent to either a General or a Major/Lieutenant General (depending on: is he JUST the commander of the southern Garrison Regiment, or is he directly equivalent to Nile Dok? I don't recall there being any other Garrison commander of the northern territories, so it sort of depends on what gets revealed, if anything, or what is world-built.

Moving back to the question. Team Leaders are ranked on the wikia below Captains, but Captain in AOT seems to correspond with Major - it makes more sense this way. Unit Captains rank above Team Leaders on the wikia though, so I'm thinking it goes...

Captain = Colonel
Unit Captain = Major
Team Leader = Captain

So then it would make the most sense for Weilman to be up for promotion, as he's in charge of more than just one squad.

Anka and Gustav I imagine aren't even Team Leader ranked, but might be First Lieutenant, as they are in charge of no teams, and their work is primarily serving Pixis. I'm not so familiar with this part of the military and don't know what kinds of key words to try. But that's just my opinion on it all.
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Axel Falkenrath | Mara Sonnenschein | Ymir | Gustav Volk | Nack Tierce | Quirin Drexler

Re: Help me answer this question please! :-) Ranks and successors.
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2018, 12:56:41 AM »
This was very helpful. Especially the comparison between ranks. Colonel, Major, Captain makes much more sense to me than Team Leader, Unit Captain, etc. Draco you are the best of the best. :-)

If there is a fairly large office staff for Pixis (and I am sure there is) I am not sure if they would be considered Anka and Gustav’s “Team” or not. I know we have Anka and Gustav chasing Mitabi and the rest all over looking for signatures and such - but I am willing to bet there is an office manager type person who would handle the day to day work. 

I tried to figure out who Nile's assistants were to see if they had ranks - but I failed.

I tend to put Pixis as equivalent to Nile. He's the only Garrison Commander we see so I assume he is the only one wandering around. I could be 100% wrong though.

Ranking is very hard LOL! My parents both always carried the same rank but had very different jobs. I think having Gustav and Anka slightly "lower" than the Ian, Mitabi, and Rico does make sense. I think I had Anka actually call Mitabi "sir" in the Match Made in Hell thread lol. If the office staff is their team, I could see them being of equal rank to the Team Leaders. I think that is something to decide in world building.  ??? :-\
« Last Edit: May 11, 2018, 01:15:11 AM by QuietCelt »
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Anka Rheinberger | Dot Pixis | Arkin Holt

Re: Help me answer this question please! :-) Ranks and successors.
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2018, 09:17:06 AM »
I've never liked how they've portrayed ranks in AOT because the whole Team Leader vs Captain vs Unit Captain thing is so confusing, and I'm unsure whether it's a translation error or just a lack of militant world-building there. After all, in most media every soldier has a rank, whereas we don't really see that in AOT? I think there's a brief mention of one of Squad Levi being or possibly being lieutenant, or it might be one of Squad Mike, but outside of that... nada.

That's a good point. They'd probably be ranked a little higher than them since they'd do more on bodyguard duty, and for that presumably they'd have needed to climb through some ranks (but most likely not ever been in charge of a team, or if so, it's not necessary to, as their job is more about supporting Pixis). Maybe due to that they're kind of separate to a squad or marked as Pixis' squad, allowing them a bit more movement between places?

Pixis being the commander of the southern territories when we haven't met one single other Garrison commander is... odd. Because obviously we have Nile and then Erwin, who were both total commanders of their regiment, and Pixis is the only one who communicates with either of them, so I'd say he's the only one, but the canon initially disagrees and since then I don't think we've had any follow-up on the Garrison to give us any more detail or clarification?

Definitely need more world-building on ranking XD. And organisation. And structure. Just... make it more militant, less all over the place and not touched on >.> Like having cannon teams, plus the on-ground teams like Hannes started with, the engineers, etc, etc.
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Axel Falkenrath | Mara Sonnenschein | Ymir | Gustav Volk | Nack Tierce | Quirin Drexler

Re: Help me answer this question please! :-) Ranks and successors.
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2018, 01:26:00 PM »
I feel like it's lack of world building for the most part. I wish the uniform jackets had stripes or pips or something to show rank lol. Like two stripes or collar pips for a Team Leader, three for a Unit Captian lol. That would make this so much easier lol.

If I am remembering correctly, Eld is Levi's second in command.  So if Levi is a Captain and Eld is his 2nd, Eld as a lieutenant makes sense.  I think the same could be said of any team 2nds. Arkin has the NPC Rahab as his second for example. I would imagine Ian, Rico, and Mitabi all have 2nds for their teams as well.

Gustav and Anka did seem to hold some power at Trost. Maybe power is the wrong word though? I think you're on to something with Anka and Gustav being listed as Dot's own squad (and maybe a few under them). That would give them more movement within the Garrison. I think having them as lieutenants or captains would work for that.

And even if say Mitabi, Ian, and Rico did outrank Gustav and Anka, Gustav and Anka's job/role is to strategize and make plans. So Rico, Ian, and Mitabi would follow their plans but in an actual combat situation, Anka and Gustav would most likely follow what Ian, Rico, and Mitabi told them to. I hope I am making some sort of sense. I'm basically thinking out loud since I like world building.

The SC and MPs are both significantly smaller than the Garrison so I think it might make sense having more than one very high ranking Garrison leader since it's so massive. But Dot is the only one we see in the fight so to speak.

There needs to be much for world building for the military for sure. I know I have how the cannon teams work in my head lol but that is about it. We need charts or a diagram or something lol.
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Re: Help me answer this question please! :-) Ranks and successors.
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 03:15:18 PM »
Agreed! Just some form of structure, more than what we have which is... kind of a mess.

That makes sense! So the 2nds lieutenants, then the others would be just below them - there's two layers of lieutenants as well so one of the others could be the other lieutenant. If that worked out. And obviously you could have multiple anyway.

I agree with all of that. They definitely had respect - I think the escorts doubling up as Pixis' strategy team seems likely based on what we saw with Trost, because Pixis himself handed over to Armin and Anka-Gustav to work out some of the logistics while he dealt with the speeches. Which also reminds me - they're likely not the only escorts anyway, because they'd have days off of course, so his squad could be comprised of two more (going by the theme of squads of five, one being the leader) who do the duty then, which means all of them may have that kind of structure, outside of the office workers. Anka, based on canon, would be most likely to be the lieutenant in that situation.

I think it would have worked better if they'd said that Pixis was overall leader and then there were four beneath him - south Wall Rose, north Wall Rose, south Wall Sina, north Wall Sina, then probably the same for old Wall Maria or maybe even four there due to the wide spread. Or just one person per district, who also covers one edge of the Wall too - like Orvud commander (spoilers for Chapter 60+).
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Re: Help me answer this question please! :-) Ranks and successors.
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2018, 05:08:52 PM »
I am just humping here real quick.  I think you guys pretty much figured it out, but I do think that pixis is the commander of the garrison overall, and then there are commanders beneath him for each district. Pretty sure the conversation between Erwin and Pixis on the wall would not have been such a big deal if Pixis didn't have control of the whole Garrison. There was a statement made (i believe) about the commanders being seen talking together. Also, there is the time Pixis was playing chess with a noble (probably for funding reasons or whatever). Also there is that big situation I can't discuss for spoiler reasons but includes testing peoples, reactions. I always pictured Pixis, Erwin, and Nile as the three commanders. The Garrison is huge and would need people in charge in each district.

Also I picture Kitz outranking Ian, Rico and Mitabi mostly because he was in control during the whole Eren titan ordeal and basically ignored Ian. Unless he just assumed command in the chaos and the others followed for the sake of keeping shit together.  Though in terms of becoming the next leader, Kitz would probably be quickly overlooked for the fact he lets fear control his decisions and yeah.

I may come back and comment on the ranking stuff later. But I have been dying to add my two cents.
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Re: Help me answer this question please! :-) Ranks and successors.
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2018, 07:04:05 PM »
I think it's safe (and just easier) at this point to say Pixis is the overall commander of the Garrison and then there are commanders under him. There needs to be one person in charge of everything, even if each commander has a fair amount of freedom to do what he or she will within their own region. It's always Pixis with Erwin or Nile so I am just going to assume they are total equals.

As the Garrison is huge, it makes sense that it takes longer to climb the ladder.

I think Kitz might be a good "leader" in nonstressful times (sooooo not super useful at the moment). It's well established he does not do well under pressure. I actually like Kitz. He has the potential to be interesting.
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